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		<title>By: historyofthestockmarket</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anyone think the Novians are wrong and they should try to save billions of people? - Terra Nova TV Forums - Page 2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anyone think the Novians are wrong and they should try to save billions of people? - Terra Nova TV Forums - Page 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]          OT - One factoid.  A graph of the population of Rome over the millennium.  David Galbraith&#8217;s Blog </description>
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		<title>By: Rome and the Collapse Paradigm &#171; Plots and Complots</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rome and the Collapse Paradigm &#171; Plots and Complots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And as rural population declined, so too did urban population eventually follow suit: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pignut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pignut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Bruce and others: IMO the free energy that fuelled Romes expansion was slaves from conquered provinces and bordering areas. Roman farming was not the driver, much of the food for Rome was imported from provinces, especially Egypt, which was very productive because of the nutrient rich waters of the Nile, North Africa, the Middle East and Sicily. The Romans were plunderers of others resources, more than they were wealth creators.

The Roman economy required continual expansion of the empire. They managed this by superior military: disciplined, well equipped, full time, professional armies, which most European tribes of the time lacked. To pacify the conquered peoples, the Romans had to let them adopt the urban lifestyle of Rome and share in the wealth of the empire, and for this reason the Romans had to find new territories to exploit for grain, metals, slaves etc. In effect the conquered, exploited people later became the conquerors and exploiters of others. When the empire could not expand further, when it ran up against other empires in the middle east and unconquerable tribes/terrain in Germany and the Russian Steppes, it could no longer afford the expense of maintaining the armies necessary to defend its borders and it collapsed. Trajan expanded the empire to its largest extent, and was followed by Hadrian, who wisely saw that it was all downhill from then on and fortified the borders to delay this process as long as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Bruce and others: IMO the free energy that fuelled Romes expansion was slaves from conquered provinces and bordering areas. Roman farming was not the driver, much of the food for Rome was imported from provinces, especially Egypt, which was very productive because of the nutrient rich waters of the Nile, North Africa, the Middle East and Sicily. The Romans were plunderers of others resources, more than they were wealth creators.</p>
<p>The Roman economy required continual expansion of the empire. They managed this by superior military: disciplined, well equipped, full time, professional armies, which most European tribes of the time lacked. To pacify the conquered peoples, the Romans had to let them adopt the urban lifestyle of Rome and share in the wealth of the empire, and for this reason the Romans had to find new territories to exploit for grain, metals, slaves etc. In effect the conquered, exploited people later became the conquerors and exploiters of others. When the empire could not expand further, when it ran up against other empires in the middle east and unconquerable tribes/terrain in Germany and the Russian Steppes, it could no longer afford the expense of maintaining the armies necessary to defend its borders and it collapsed. Trajan expanded the empire to its largest extent, and was followed by Hadrian, who wisely saw that it was all downhill from then on and fortified the borders to delay this process as long as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does inequality lead to religion?

Discussion at the BBC's &lt;a&gt;Thinking allowed podcast&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does inequality lead to religion?</p>
<p>Discussion at the BBC&#8217;s <a>Thinking allowed podcast</a></p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, there is certainly no doubt that christianity played the role that you describe in later eras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is certainly no doubt that christianity played the role that you describe in later eras.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rich

While you are almost certainly right and its just a hunch, there does seem to be something perniciously monomaniacal about monotheism and its spread from Middle Eastern origins, coincident with Rome's decline. 

From the account of religion in the Decline and Fall, it sounds like Roman paganism lead to a kind of pragmatism, where everyone's gods were adopted and many opinions tolerated - this wouldn't have necessarily created a religious environment which was antithetical to the spread of rational ideas amongst the plethora of superstitious ones.

The single mindedness of a single god and religious manual and the rigid crystallization of its interpretation at the Nicaean Councils might have created an environment less tolerant of other competing ideas such as evidence based reason.</description>
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<p>While you are almost certainly right and its just a hunch, there does seem to be something perniciously monomaniacal about monotheism and its spread from Middle Eastern origins, coincident with Rome&#8217;s decline. </p>
<p>From the account of religion in the Decline and Fall, it sounds like Roman paganism lead to a kind of pragmatism, where everyone&#8217;s gods were adopted and many opinions tolerated - this wouldn&#8217;t have necessarily created a religious environment which was antithetical to the spread of rational ideas amongst the plethora of superstitious ones.</p>
<p>The single mindedness of a single god and religious manual and the rigid crystallization of its interpretation at the Nicaean Councils might have created an environment less tolerant of other competing ideas such as evidence based reason.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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i would not agree with that personally, since the romans (or those defined as romans) were continuously superstitious throughout their entire history.</description>
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<p>i would not agree with that personally, since the romans (or those defined as romans) were continuously superstitious throughout their entire history.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting graph.  Cullen Murphy in his book Are We Rome? writes extensively about the comparisons between Rome and America.  On the decline, he says that Romans saw it happening all around them but could not agree on the causes.  Neither can modern historians.  The capital was moved to Ravenna because it was easier to defend, built on stilts on a marsh.  Once the lobby leaves town, supporting businesses go with it, as do the elite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting graph.  Cullen Murphy in his book Are We Rome? writes extensively about the comparisons between Rome and America.  On the decline, he says that Romans saw it happening all around them but could not agree on the causes.  Neither can modern historians.  The capital was moved to Ravenna because it was easier to defend, built on stilts on a marsh.  Once the lobby leaves town, supporting businesses go with it, as do the elite.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rich "the sharp population drop off may coincide with some pivotal moments in christian history, but as we all know, correlation does not imply causation.  the orthodox eastern roman empire continued as a late roman entity into the 7th century, and as a political entity till 1453."

Rather like the feedback loop from settlements, which enabled infrastructure developments, which enabled further growth in settlements, I wonder if the decline created religiosity and superstition which further exacerbated decline through a collapse of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rich &#8220;the sharp population drop off may coincide with some pivotal moments in christian history, but as we all know, correlation does not imply causation.  the orthodox eastern roman empire continued as a late roman entity into the 7th century, and as a political entity till 1453.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rather like the feedback loop from settlements, which enabled infrastructure developments, which enabled further growth in settlements, I wonder if the decline created religiosity and superstition which further exacerbated decline through a collapse of reason.</p>
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